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    'India financed problems for Pakistan' from Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel

    'India financed problems for Pakistan' from Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel

    Hagel has been nominated as the new US Secretary of Defence, but he needs to be confirmed by the US Senate.

    While some in Pakistan have for long been crying hoarse over growing Indian subversive activities in Pakistan through Afghanistan, the latest confirmation of this came from US defence secretary nominee Senator Chuck Hagel who in a previously unreleased video
    suggested that India has over the years “financed problems for Pakistan on that side of the border.”



    Hagel in a talk on Afghanistan at the Cameron University in Oklahoma in 2011 said that India has been using Afghanistan as a second front against Pakistan. “India has over the years financed problems for Pakistan on that side of the border, and you can carry that into many dimensions.”

    The 2011 video had not been released previously, and only came to light after it was uploaded on to video sharing website by Washington Free Beacon.

    Hagel was nominated by President Barack Obama in January to replace US defence secretary Leon Panetta. He is due to hear a verdict on on his confirmation by the US Senate on Tuesday.

    Meanwhile, the Indian Embassy in Washington has decried Hagel’s statement. An Indian embassy spokesperson told the Washington Free Beacon that Hagel’s statement was not grounded in “reality”.

    “Such comments attributed to Senator Hagel, who has been a long-standing friend of India and a prominent votary of close India-US relations, are contrary to the reality of India’s unbounded dedication to the welfare of the Afghan people,” the spokesperson said.

    “India’s commitment to a peaceful, stable and prosperous Afghanistan is unwavering, and this is reflected in our significant assistance to Afghanistan in developing its economy, infrastructure and institutional capacities.”

    The spokesperson, seeking to dispel the notion that India may have sponsored terrorism, added that “India’s development assistance has been deeply appreciated by the people and the Government of Afghanistan, and by our friends around the world, including the United States,” and that “We [India] do not view our engagement with Afghanistan as a zero sum game.”

    “India and the United States have a shared perspective and a deep convergence of interests for ensuring peace and stability in Afghanistan,” the spokesperson added. “We will continue to work to help the Afghan people build a peaceful, prosperous, democratic and inclusive future for themselves in an environment free from terror and intimidation.”

    ”Our opposition to terrorism and its safe havens in our neighborhood is firm and unshakeable,” the statement added.

    ‘India financed problems for Pakistan’ from Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel – The Express Tribune


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    Re: 'India financed problems for Pakistan' from Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel

    As the time nears for withdrawal, many such news from US will be released. After all, they need to handover there dirt to someone.

    But those allegations will need backing with proof.

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    Re: India financed problems for Pakistan' from Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel

    Always thought highly of Chuck Hagel.

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    Re: 'India financed problems for Pakistan' from Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel

    US assistance to Pakistan should not be unconditional: Chuck Hagel

    WASHINGTON: America's assistance to Pakistan should not be unconditional, US Defence Secretary nominee Chuck Hagel has told lawmakers ahead of his confirmation hearing.

    US-Pak military relationship should be underlined by a realistic, pragmatic approach to enhancing those areas of cooperation that are dictated by their common interests and to ensuring accountability for actions that detract from these interest, Hagel stressed.

    "US assistance to Pakistan should not be unconditional. At the same time, any conditions should be carefully examined to ensure they advance US strategic interests," Chuck Hagel, the two-time former Senator from Nebraska said yesterday in answers to a 112-page questionnaire for the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    "If confirmed, I will work to ensure that our security assistance and other support to Pakistan both serves US interests and is cost effective," Hagel added.

    Hagel has been nominated by the US President Barack Obama as his next Defence Secretary.

    If confirmed by the Senate, he would replace Leon Panetta as the Defence Secretary.

    India does not find any mention in his answers. "I believe the US and Pakistan share common interests in disrupting, dismantling, and defeating al Qaeda, and in long-term regional stability, including a durable political settlement in Afghanistan and the safety and security of the Indian Ocean," Hagel said when asked what would he consider to be areas of shared strategic interest between the US and Pakistan.

    Hagel said the US and Pakistan often diverge over Pakistan's approach to the militant and terrorist networks that operate in Pakistan's territory and do not overtly threaten the Pakistani state.

    "However, in my view, these networks threaten Pakistani stability, endanger the prospects for a settlement in Afghanistan, and undermine regional stability -- so that in fact, while the relationship is challenging, I believe our long-term strategic interests are in alignment," he said.

    Noting that US-Pakistan military-to-military ties have been marked by periodic ups and downs, Hagel said in his view, the military-military relationship should be underlined by a realistic, pragmatic approach to enhancing those areas of cooperation that are dictated by their common interests and to ensuring accountability for actions that detract from these interests.

    "If confirmed, I will make accomplishing that goal a priority," he asserted.

    Responding to a question on effectiveness of US aid to Pakistan, Hagel said as the President has said, more terrorists have been killed in Pakistan than anywhere else since 9/11--and that would not be possible without Pakistani cooperation.

    "Security assistance for Pakistan has helped Pakistan press this campaign against the militant and terrorist networks that threaten us all," he said.
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    Re: 'India financed problems for Pakistan' from Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel

    Much like Obama's comments and views about trying to address the Afghan conflict through a more comprehensive 'regional approach' that involved addressing tensions between India and Pakistan over Kashmir (a vision that was torpedoed due to strong opposition from India and their lobbyists in DC), Hagel's comments before he becomes SoS (if he is confirmed) will have little to no bearing on the actual foreign policy of the Obama Administration with respect to Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.

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    US Secretary of Defence Nominee confiirms India is supporting Terror in Pakistan‏

    US Secretary of Defence Nominee Hagel confirms India supporting Terror in Pakistan‏


    Secretary of defense nominee Chuck Hagel suggested in a previously unreleased 2011 speech that India has “for many years” sponsored terrorist activities against Pakistan in Afghanistan.

    “India has over the years financed problems for Pakistan” in Afghanistan, Hagel said during a 2011 address regarding Afghanistan at Oklahoma’s Cameron University, according to video of the speech obtained by the Free Beacon.

    The controversial comments mark a departure from established United States policy in the region and could increase tensions between the Obama administration and India should the Senate confirm Hagel on Tuesday, according to experts.

    “It’s both over-the-top and a sharp departure from a U.S. position that has seen democratic India as a stabilizing influence in Afghanistan and Asia more broadly,” said Sadanand Dhume, former India bureau chief at the Far Eastern Economic Review and current resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

    “It’s also exactly the sort of statement that would have frayed ties with New Delhi, which has been watching the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan with concern,” Dhume said, referring to the administration’s plan to remove most military forces from the war-torn country in the coming months.

    Hagel’s nomination has been stalled for more than a week after Senate Democrats failed to secure the 60 votes needed to end a Republican filibuster of the nomination. GOP lawmakers have continued to express concern over Hagel’s controversial stance on Israel, the Jewish community, and Iran, positions they say leave him unfit to serve in such a sensitive post.

    The U.S. has long viewed India as a key ally in its fight against terrorism in the porous border regions between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Tensions have arisen between India and Pakistan over the latter’s failure to stymie terrorist activities.

    Hagel appears to accuse India of fueling tensions with Pakistan, claiming it is using Afghanistan “as a second front” against Pakistan.

    “India for some time has always used Afghanistan as a second front, and India has over the years financed problems for Pakistan on that side of the border,” Hagel says in the speech. “And you can carry that into many dimensions, the point being [that] the tense, fragmented relationship between Pakistan and Afghanistan has been there for many, many years.”

    Hagel’s comments reflect a “paranoid” worldview, India expert Dhume said.

    “This statement reflects the views of the more paranoid elements of the Pakistan establishment more than mainstream U.S. opinion,” he said. “It’s a dated way of looking at a part of the world important to U.S. interests in Asia.”

    Hagel’s 2011 remarks at Cameron University were released to the Free Beacon under the Oklahoma Open Records Act. The university had initially stated that Hagel would have to personally authorize the speech’s release, though no authorization was ultimately granted.

    Hagel also criticized NATO during his remarks, questioning whether the international treaty organization can continue to exist.

    Divisions among NATO members over operations in Afghanistan and Libya have raised questions about the organization’s usefulness, Hagel said.

    “We are seeing a shift everywhere, we’re seeing a shift in NATO—seven, eight, nine members of NATO out of 28 were the only members of NATO that participated in the Libya exercise,” Hagel said. “Some of the most significant members, Germany being one of them, said NATO has no business in Libya, absolutely none.”

    “Many of the people in the countries [that are] represented with boots on the ground … don’t want to be there, never wanted to be there,” Hagel said of NATO allies.

    “So can NATO continue to exist, should it exist” given these disputes, Hagel asked. “What then is the usefulness of NATO?”

    Hagel again questioned NATO’s usefulness later in the speech.

    “All these [international] institutions that were built after World War II throughout leadership … now 65 years later of course they cannot be the same institutions,” Hagel said.

    “I just mentioned a couple minutes ago NATO as a good example. There is no Soviet threat and you all remember in 1989 when the Berlin Wall came down and ‘89, ‘90, ‘91 the Soviet Union imploded, the great question in the Congress, in Europe, was, ‘Why do we need NATO? What was the point on NATO?’ ” Hagel said. “And we essentially parked that question. We never answered it, and instead we said, ‘Well lets enlarge NATO,’ so we enlarged it.”

    Hagel also explained that the U.S. is increasingly relying on unmanned drones, comments that could renew Democratic criticism of the former Republican Nebraska senator’s stance on the use of such weapons.

    “What’s evolving with the drones. That is shifting that’s changing, that’s going to change our military from what it is now in many, many ways,” Hagel said. “We probably here soon will see one of the last copies of a human pilot aircraft finally for the obvious reasons. All of these dimensions are shifting the world in ways no one is wise enough, smart enough to calculate or calibrate.”

    Sen. Jim Inhofe (R., Okla.), the Senate Armed Services Committee’s ranking member, warned Republican lawmakers last week against voting to confirm Hagel.

    “Make no mistake; a vote for cloture is a vote to confirm Sen. Hagel as secretary of defense,” Inhofe wrote in a strongly worded letter to his Republican colleagues, several of whom have indicated that they would vote to end debate on Hagel’s nomination, paving the way for his confirmation.

    Hagel is widely expected to be confirmed Tuesday by the Senate, more than a month after he was first nominated by Obama.

    The anti-Semitic Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan, threw his support behind Hagel on Monday.

    Chuck Hagel attacks India | Washington Free Beacon

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    Re: 'India financed problems for Pakistan' from Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel

    India wanted influence in Afghanistan and hence brought it. Because Indian and Pakistan positions are diametrically opposite in Afghanistan, any Indian influence is a loss for Pakistan. I would say problems arising out of Indian influence in Afghanistan are collateral damage for Pakistan

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    "Hagel’s comments reflect a “paranoid” worldview, India expert Dhume said.

    “This statement reflects the views of the more paranoid elements of the Pakistan establishment more than mainstream U.S. opinion,” he said. “It’s a dated way of looking at a part of the world important to U.S. interests in Asia.”

    Dhume is taking the 'intellectually lazy' way out by dismissing Hagel's comments as 'paranoid'. A position critical of interventionist Indian policies in Afghanistan, with respect to damaging Pakistani interests, is not automatically 'paranoid' any more than allegations of 'ISI interventions in Afghanistan in support of the Taliban' are.

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    The Indian obsession with trying to circle our nation is unique. Someone needs to inform them they dont even have a border with Afghanistan.

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    US defence secretary nominee backs Pakistan against India

    US defence secretary nominee backs Pakistan against India
    ByChidanand Rajghatta, TNN | Feb 27, 2013, 01.06

    WASHINGTON: American conservatives trying to torpedo the confirmation of Senator Chuck Hagel, President Obama's nominee for US defence secretary, have pulled out an "India card". Hagel has been accused of fingering India for its alleged disruptive role against Pakistan in Afghanistan. A shocked New Delhi, which sees Hagel as a friend, angrily denied any suggestion that India is a troublemaker in the region.

    The provocative remark, in which Senator Hagel accuses New Delhi of "financing problems" for Pakistan in Afghanistan, was dredged out by a conservative publication on the eve of his confirmation hearing which his former Republican colleagues have held up largely on ideological grounds. In a 2011 speech at Oklahoma's Cameron University, Hagel says India has used Afghanistan as a second front to trouble Pakistan, according to video of the remarks obtained by Free Beacon, a conservative journal.

    Free Beacon said that Hagel's remarks suggested that India has for many years sponsored terrorist activity against Pakistan in Afghanistan. But a review of the clip showed Hagel did not use the word 'terror' or 'terrorism' anywhere. Instead, he seemed to suggest India's massive financing of rebuilding — which New Delhi is glad to acknowledge — was causing difficulties for Pakistan, which by Afghanistan's own account, has been ceaseless in sponsoring terrorism in the country.

    "India for some time has always used Afghanistan as a second front, and India has over the years financed problems for Pakistan on that side of the border," Hagel says in the speech. "And you can carry that into many dimensions, the point being (that) the tense, fragmented relationship between Pakistan and Afghanistan has been there for many, many years."

    New Delhi, which is already leery of the changes in the State Department and the Pentagon, said through a spokesperson at its Washington embassy that Hagel's remarks about India creating trouble in Afghanistan are not grounded in "reality".

    "Such comments attributed to Sen. Hagel, who has been a long-standing friend of India and a prominent votary of close India-US relations, are contrary to the reality of India's unbounded dedication to the welfare of the Afghan people," the embassy said. "India's commitment to a peaceful, stable and prosperous Afghanistan is unwavering, and this is reflected in our significant assistance to Afghanistan in developing its economy, infrastructure and institutional capacities. Our opposition to terrorism and its safe havens in our neighbourhood is firm and unshakeable."

    While conservatives appear to have used this India card in what is evidently an ideological battle to undermine his nomination, there is some concern among officials and analysts that both the state ( John Kerry) and the defence department will be helmed by Vietnam-era vets who appear to be out of sync with the current energy and dynamic of US-India ties. "It's a dated way of looking at a part of the world important to US interests in Asia," said Sadanand Dhume, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, chuckling that "those nefarious roads" built by India in Afghanistan was troubling a lot of people.

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    It's now official; TTP is India's proxy.....

    It's now official; TTP is India's proxy.....

    Senator Chuck Hagel’s nomination as US Secretary of Defense has been confirmed by US Senate. It always seemed a distant possibility because of his opposition by the Senators under the influence of pro-Israel lobby. His views on Israel were well known and had angered Israel and its sympathizers in the Capitol Hill. His detractors also tried to pitch Indian lobby against Hagel confirmation when a day before his final confirmation, one of his speeches on Afghanistan was made public. In his speech, he had clearly said that terrorism in Pakistan, in which nearly 50,000 innocent Pakistani civilian had lost lives, is funded by India. This has confirmed the dreaded estimates that Pakistan’s terror outfit, TTP, is in fact an Indian proxy. In Chuck Hagel’s words, India has over the years "financed problems" for Pakistan in the war-torn country. He also said that India for some time has always used Afghanistan as a second front, and India has over the years financed problems for Pakistan on that side of the border. And you can carry that into many dimensions, the point being [that] the tense, fragmented relationship between Pakistan and Afghanistan has been there for many, many years.

    Indian lobby has been quite active to use his anti-India remarks and provide ammunition to the Republican Senators to oppose his confirmation. It may be kept in mind that Chuck Hagel has always been considered pro-India, therefore, his eye-opening remarks have shocked many the world over. As Nebraska Senator for two terms from 1997 to 2009, Hagel was member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, frequently travelled to South Asia and voted in favor of the historic India-US civilian nuclear deal. During his trip to Pakistan he told the then Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf that a similar agreement was not on cards with Islamabad, because of the proliferation issues with his country. Hagel's nomination has bitterly split the Senate, with Republicans turning on their former colleague and Democrats standing by Obama's nominee.

    Republican lawmakers excoriated Hagel over his past statements and votes. They argued that he was too critical of Israel and too compromising with Iran. They cast the Nebraskan as a radical far out of the mainstream.

    With Hagel’s confirmation, allegations that India is one of the biggest state-sponsors of terrorism in South Asian regions have been confirmed. In fact, it is now official coming from US Secretary of Defense.

    ALLVOICES: Despite Israeli and Indian opposition, Hagel becomes US Defense Secretary
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    Hagel is just confirming what we already knew. India are sponsoring terrorism and hatred via Afghanistan. Im just so pleased its an American coming out and saying this! Not ANY American but the secetary of defence CHUCK HAGEL!!!!!!
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    The US admin has distanced itself from Hagels statement. Hagel didn't hold any administration post when he made this comment and is probably a victim of Pak propaganda with the help of the likes of Christina Fair. Obama in 2011 praised Indian role in Astan and called on to do more over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yusuf View Post
    The US admin has distanced itself from Hagels statement. Hagel didn't hold any administration post when he made this comment and is probably a victim of Pak propaganda with the help of the likes of Christina Fair. Obama in 2011 praised Indian role in Astan and called on to do more over there.

    also u distance from every one and go against from the people who expose the realities of india ....you indians go against of those people who talk good about pakistan....

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    Re: 'India financed problems for Pakistan' from Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel

    India rejects allegation it used Afghanistan to create problems for Pak



    New Delhi has taken strong objection to President Barack Obama's Defence Secretary nominee Chuck Hagel's allegations that India had over the years "financed problems" for Pakistan in Afghanistan, saying such comments were "contrary to the reality" of its unbounded dedication to the welfare of Afghans.

    Mr Hagel's controversial speech made at Oklahoma's Cameron University in 2011 was uploaded by online newspaper Washington Free Beacon.

    The Indian Embassy in Washington said that Mr Hagel's remarks go contrary to viewpoint of Obama Administration that has always praised India's developmental role in Afghanistan and had been pressing New Delhi to do more in the war-torn country.

    "The Government of India has close and frequent discussions with the United States on all issues of mutual interest including on Afghanistan, and we have consistently received support and encouragement from our US partners for our constructive role in Afghanistan," official sources here said.

    In his speech, Mr Hagel had said, "India for some time has always used Afghanistan as a second front, and India has over the years financed problems for Pakistan on that side of the border".

    The Indian Embassy in Washington said, "Such comments attributed to Senator Hagel, who has been a long-standing friend of India and a prominent votary of close India-US relations are contrary to the reality of India's unbounded dedication to the welfare of Afghan peopleand this is reflected in our significant assistance to Afghanistan in developing its economy, infrastructure and institutional capacities."

    "Our opposition to terrorism and its safe havens in our neighbourhood is firm and unshakable. India's development assistance has been deeply appreciated by the people and the Government of Afghanistan, and by our friends around the world including the US," it said.

    Mr Hagel, who had been on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, had supported the Indo-US nuclear deal.

    His nomination as Defence Secretary is being opposed by Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yusuf View Post
    The US admin has distanced itself from Hagels statement. Hagel didn't hold any administration post when he made this comment and is probably a victim of Pak propaganda with the help of the likes of Christina Fair. Obama in 2011 praised Indian role in Astan and called on to do more over there.
    Christine Fair herself is not exactly a bastion of 'pro Pakistani positions'. The majority of her analyses and reports tend to be critical of Pakistan and especially the Pakistani military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaum View Post
    also u distance from every one and go against from the people who expose the realities of india ....you indians go against of those people who talk good about pakistan....
    Lets wait and see, does he repeats his statement from the Chair of Defense Secretary.

    He is going to surprise many here. Again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by contract killer View Post
    Lets wait and see, does he repeats his statement from the Chair of Defense Secretary.

    He is going to surprise many here. Again.
    I posted this earlier in the thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by AgNoStIc MuSliM View Post
    Much like Obama's comments and views about trying to address the Afghan conflict through a more comprehensive 'regional approach' that involved addressing tensions between India and Pakistan over Kashmir (a vision that was torpedoed due to strong opposition from India and their lobbyists in DC), Hagel's comments before he becomes SoS (if he is confirmed) will have little to no bearing on the actual foreign policy of the Obama Administration with respect to Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.
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